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In Mr. Robot (TV series) episode "eps2.2_init_1.asec", Elliot and Mr. Robot drew 3 consecutive chess games. They remark it's impossible.

The odds of that are Impossible.

As far as TV shows go, Mr. Robot is known for its technical accuracy. I was surprised when I heard that line, so I fact-checked it:

From Wikipedia:

[Frequency of draws] is currently "holding pretty steady around 50%, and is only increasing at a very slow rate".

I understand that figure is for top-level tournaments, not 3 consecutive games from the same 2 players. Is there are any accuracy to that statement in the show? If not, is it different from the 50% rate for top-level players?

  • Just to be clear: Mr. Robot is a person, and not some superhuman android or something? – D M Feb 25 '19 at 3:38
  • Both Elliot and Mr. Robot are humans / computer geniuses / hackers. There is no indication that they are more than amateurs in chess. – Federico Poloni Feb 25 '19 at 8:36
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    I just read online, that Elliot actually STALEMATED Mr. Robot three times - I will re-watch and confirm that episode after work, I only recall the games being... a little suspicious. ;) If that would be the case however, Elliot's remark may be understood as talking about the odds of him making the same mistake multiple times. – Benjamin Raabe Feb 25 '19 at 9:00
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    @BenjaminRaabe "suspicious" is an understatement. The games are replays of well-known constructions of stalemate. While the moves are legal, you'd never see those games played in a competitive situation. – BowlOfRed Feb 25 '19 at 9:19
  • @BowlOfRed: Why don't you answer the question then? If the answer is that it is not just any old draws, but actually impossible draws under competitive play, then that's the answer. – user21820 Feb 25 '19 at 15:34
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Definitely not impossible! It is true that draws are less frequent in amateur chess, and it is also true that draws are less frequent for faster games (how fast was the game in the show?), but even so, let's say that for a blitz game between evenly matched amateurs the draw frequency were 5%, or 1/20. If you played three games, the odds of playing three draws would be 1/8000, which while unlikely, is hardly "impossible". This is assuming that the probabilities are independent, which may not be entirely true but I think is close enough for a rough estimate.

I don't have an academic citation, but if you want some stats for online games you can look at the Lichess opening book: https://lichess.org/analysis . Normally it shows master-level games, but if you click on the settings you can chose to look at Lichess games instead, and filter by rating and time control. For blitz games at rating 1600, the draw frequency is 4-5%, depending on the opening move (the draw is the small gray stripe without a percentage, so you have to compute it by difference):

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For the highest ratings, it's closer to 10% for blitz. And for classical chess, as you know, it's about 50% for top-level chess. For amateur chess I'd say maybe 10-20% but it depends on which level of amateur we are talking about. I won't cite the Lichess stats here because even though they have a "classical" category, it's really what would called rapid in over-the-board tournaments (30 min games in Lichess; OTB classical is usually 2 hours or more).

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    lol this is exactly what I was going to do. Have an upvote! – Brandon_J Feb 25 '19 at 3:55
  • The recent TCEC superfinal between the Stockfish and Leela engines had 81 draws of 100 games, with openings handpicked to give one side a moderate advantage. It seems the top engines are approaching 100% draws – JollyJoker Feb 25 '19 at 8:24
  • The games were crazy fast, or at least filmed in a way that suggests them playing bullet or Hyper-Bullet (30s). – Benjamin Raabe Feb 25 '19 at 9:06
  • I got some more statistics from lichess for the 30-60s + 0 time controls. Draw rate (Draw + Stalemate) is around 3%. :) imgur.com/a/RnNI1Sy – Benjamin Raabe Feb 27 '19 at 14:11
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From a transcript at https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=mr-robot-2015&episode=s02e04

You just need to be able to see ahead of your opponent.

But how can you when your other opponent is you? Stalemate.

Three in a row.

The odds of that are Impossible.

So the impossibility mentioned can be interpreted to be three stalemates in a row, not simply three draws. I could not quickly find a reference to the stalemate rate, but it must be significantly less than the draw rate, and the cube of it will therefore tend a bit closer to "impossible".

I don't know if the moves in the show are meant to be real games or just a nod to the audience that is looking closely (kind of like the in-jokes written in tiny print on "Star Trek" displays). But the first two are reported to be the Loyd 10-move stalemate and the final game is Minerva's fastest known double stalemate. (I don't have a copy of the video to confirm this)

Because they are "constructed" puzzles, neither would be expected in a competitive game, only a cooperation scenario. That may or may not mean something in the context of the episode.

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As standard math says, probability of same event happening in a row for N times is:

PeN

where Pe is single event probability.

So if we take as standard draw probability 50%, then event of having 3 draws in a row between some players will be 1/23 = 0,125 = 12.5%. Thus not impossible, but unlikely.

However there can be specific pairs of players which always plays at optimal strategy for each-other, so that their games mostly ends in a draw.

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    12.5% isn't "highly unlikely" at all. It means that, if you played three games a day, you'd expect to get three draws almost once a week. Also, the 50% draw rate is in long-format games between grandmasters; quicker games between amateurs have a much lower rate of draws. – David Richerby Feb 25 '19 at 11:15
  • @DavidRicherby. I've changed to simply unlikely, but in principle it's just a play of words. I simply had in mind that statistically probability of NOT getting a draw 3-times in a row is 87.5%, so this is much more likely. You can't argue with mathematics – Agnius Vasiliauskas Feb 25 '19 at 12:55
  • It's not "a play of words": it's a significant change of meaning. I can't argue with the fact that, if three independent events occur with probability p, then all three occur together with probability p^3. But I can (and did!) argue with your choice of p=1/2, which does not reflect reality, and the implicit claim of independence, though the latter probably isn't significant in this case. – David Richerby Feb 25 '19 at 13:01
  • I never said that 50% is "carved in a rock", this was just as an example - have you noticed word 'if' ? And yes - I know that these events must be independent for formula to apply. I can't image dependent events in this case - unless with each start of new game players gets more drunk :-D BTW, 50Į-60% is not also for grandmasters and between computer chess programs too. – Agnius Vasiliauskas Feb 25 '19 at 13:12

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