Timeline for Game ended with a handshake
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| Mar 6, 2020 at 5:06 | comment | added | vsz | @Michael : wow, that argument is so ridiculously exaggerated, that it's not even clear on whose side you are arguing :) | |
| Mar 5, 2020 at 22:58 | comment | added | Michael | @vsz Or to carry it to its logical ridiculous conclusion, I could flip the table over, and then explain that I was actually winning and had just saw a mate in ten, and was symbolically emphasizing my dominance over the other player and that they had lost. | |
| Mar 5, 2020 at 5:36 | comment | added | vsz | Even in that case, black admitted that he initiated the handshake, after which they started packing away the pieces. So if you don't want to see it officially as resignation, then you can apply FIDE rule 12.6 about not distracting the opponent. Offering a handshake and starting putting away the pieces, even if you refuse accepting it as resignation, then it would fall into distracting the opponent. Black even admitted that he started it. | |
| Mar 4, 2020 at 15:30 | comment | added | RemcoGerlich | @vsz: I expanded my answer a bit to make my argument clearer. | |
| Mar 4, 2020 at 15:29 | history | edited | RemcoGerlich | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 4, 2020 at 9:11 | comment | added | RemcoGerlich | In the end, you have to resort to the rules. The players shook hands. This does nothing according to the rules. Then they stopped playing and put away the pieces. How can you reward any points based on that? | |
| Mar 4, 2020 at 9:05 | comment | added | RemcoGerlich | It shouldn't, but it does happen in such situations. I've seen grandmasters do it in person several times. Resigning by just offering a handshake also happens. We don't know which happened here, except that they both messed up by saying nothing, signing nothing, not keeping score, removing the position, just abandoning the game. | |
| Mar 4, 2020 at 5:14 | comment | added | vsz | "a player might offer a draw by extending their hand and saying nothing" - that's not how draws are offered. According to the logic you just presented, we could explain away anything. What if I literally say "I give up", but then later I regret it and try to explain that I didn't mean resigning, I just said that I've given up trying to win and my words meant I was offering a draw instead? | |
| Mar 3, 2020 at 19:47 | comment | added | RemcoGerlich | @vsz: in a dead drawn position where one side is a pawn up or so but there is no way to know, a player might offer a draw by extending their hand and saying nothing. And white could be the one to claim a win "because he resigned". There is no way to know from the information we have. | |
| Mar 3, 2020 at 16:19 | comment | added | vsz | In that case black would have claimed that he verbally offered a draw. | |
| Mar 3, 2020 at 12:59 | comment | added | RemcoGerlich | @vzs: It is equally possible it was in fact a draw and white is the one trying to trick the opponent. | |
| Mar 3, 2020 at 11:44 | comment | added | vsz | This would be totally unfair to white. Offering a handshake as a form of resignation is very very common. If I was an arbiter and a player would try to pull a trick like black did in the question, I would consider something harsher than just merely making him lose the game, as what he did was against the tenets of fair play. Basically he's tricking his opponent into forfeiting the game. | |
| Mar 3, 2020 at 9:54 | history | answered | RemcoGerlich | CC BY-SA 4.0 |