Questions tagged [tablebases]

Tablebases are databases that contain complete, exhaustively calculated moves and variations for a given collection of chess positions. E.g. the Nalimov tablebases contain full solutions for all endgames involving 6 pieces or less.

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How can I download Syzygy tablebases efficiently?

How can I download Syzygy tablebases (5-man or 6-man) as quickly as possible without clicking hundreds of links at a mirror? Is there a verified torrent available that will probably download faster ...
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Estimation of "God's Elo"

Assume a 32-piece tablebase would exist. It would be a Chess God. Surely there have been estimations of its ELO? According to the very related question, two problems arise: a) At any point the ...
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Is there a spreadsheet of all 5 or fewer men endgame tablebase continuations/results? How could one be made?

I am looking for a spreadsheet such as the one here: https://data.world/uci/chess-king-rook-vs-king, except that it covers all 5 or less men endgames. Ideally it would also have PGNs of the ideal ...
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What is the DTM for White is this 7 piece position?

I know that is winning for White because of the Syzygy tablebases. But Stockfish 14.1 NNUE, without tablebases, returns an evaluation of only +3.23 at depth =72(!). What is White's DTM? [FEN "8/...
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Finding all critical endgames

A winning position is called critical, if all moves - except one - draw or lose (assuming the opponent plays perfectly). Similarly, a drawn chess position is called critical, if all moves - except one ...
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Has Explainable AI been applied to the endgame tablebases?

There's an ongoing trend towards building 'Explainable' AI so that not just the results of a decision process are generated, but also some form of human-readable explanation for it. The Wikipedia ...
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Long tablebase wins in tournament praxis

I very much assume that KBB/KN endgames already occurred often enough in OTB play, and I also bet the B side always played on for a win (regardless whether this was after the computer proved it was a ...
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What is the longest known 7-piece checkmate?

What is the longest known 7-piece checkmate?
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How can I query an endgame tablebase for multiple positions using loops/conditional statements?

In textbooks you find diagrams about key squares and similar concepts. For example, white can promote a pawn if white's king can control three particular squares infront of the pawn. I would like to ...
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Finding every longest endgame for each material configuration

I can find statistics on the number of moves until checkmate in the Syzygy endgame table for each material configuration. Let's say I am interested in "KQQvK" endgames. The statistics show ...
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Free tablebase generator software?

I'd like to play a bit with fairy tablebases (Vaclav Kotesovec published quite a few) and am far too lazy to program them anew, especially as I wouldn't wonder if there is free code floating around, ...
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How do endgame tablebases calculate checkmates to do retrograde analysis on?

I understand that once endgame tablebases get checkmates, they do retrograde analysis and are able to calculate forced wins. However, how do they calculate the checkmate in the first place? Do they ...
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Obtaining the correct move from syzygy tablebases (Python)

I have created a chess engine in Python and now want to start using the endgame tables in syzygy. I have downloaded all the relevant files and is now ready to start. I have found how to access the ...
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Tablebases say this position is drawn, but Stockfish disagrees-What does that mean?

Today I found myself in the below position as black (me to play). My gut told me it should be a draw, but as my opponent and I are both fairly weak there was a significant chance one of us would ...
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What is the fifth position in the KN vs. KR endgame with the knight mating?

I can come up with 8 positions where the knight would deliver checkmate to a rook and king. However, on endgame tablebases, there are only 5 positions where a King knight wins against King rook. Why?
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What percentage of the time does White win in the Lomonosov tablebase?

Studies show a slight advantage for White for having the first move. In the tablebase of trillions of 7-piece endgames, with White to move, how many of those endgames end up as wins, how many as ...
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Stockfish Transposition Table: 16 bit key equals 0 even if the key is found? [closed]

In Stockfish 11, they use the high 16 bits as key inside the cluster: const uint16_t key16 = key >> 48; // Use the high 16 bits as key inside the cluster This renders problem when key >> ...
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Using Freeware AI and Dynamically Generated Endgame Tablebases [closed]

The purpose of this query is to discuss a topic that I am totally ignorant of, rather than pose one specific question. Although such a query does invite opinions based on intuition, I am also ...
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Looking for special chess freeware

I am looking for chess freeware that ideally has the following facilities, and I am wondering what compromises I'll need to accept. I am also requesting the results of your experiences. List Of Needs ...
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What is the longest tablebase win that includes draw rules?

It has been asked the longest mate that includes draw rules is, and it is known what the longest tablebase mate is. However, what is the longest tablebase mate, i.e. 7 pieces or less, that accounts ...
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What do DTM, DTZ, DTC, DTR, DTZ50, and DTZR mean?

I need help clarifying the abbreviations and acronyms used in endgame tablebases. Just what do DTM, DTZ, DTC, DTR, DTZ50, DTZR mean?
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Are there attempts at creating practical endgame tablebases?

As I understand it, 8-piece endgame tablebases have been in development for many years. The big issue is the sheer number of positions that are possible. Are there any attempts at making a "practical"...
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ChessBase Nalimov tablebases

I'm using Nalimov tablebases with Fritz14 and it basically works. Just one strange problems occurs: The engine doesn't mate because the final mating move isn't sorted correctly. It look like this: +- ...
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Tablebases for variant where stalemate is a win?

Since time immemorial, some people have suggested that stalemate be declared a loss for the player who is unable to move. This proposal is sometimes called "abolishing the stalemate rule" although I ...
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On the feasibility of a KBN-K mate within 50 moves using a particular method

Prove that it is possible, from any starting KBN-K position, to accomplish the mate by manoeuvering to arrive at key positions from a well-known method or strategy whilst the losing king actively ...
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How does Syzygy store its information?

From reading everything I've found so far, I know that Syzygy uses both win/draw/loss files and distance-to-zero files, but I haven't found any information on the internal file format that these files ...
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Where can I download and how do I set up a 5-man tablebase in Arena GUI?

So, I want to download a 5-man tablebase (I have no disk space for a 6-man one) and set it up so that it works with Stockfish in Arena GUI. Where can I download the tablebase, and how do I install it ...
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Is it possible to get DTM of a position from sygyzy tables?

This is a programming question related to chess endgame tables. As far as I know syzygy tables allow me to get WDL and Depth to Zeroing (DTZ) information for a given position. Is it possible to ...
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Where can I download gaviota endgame tables?

I am looking for a link to download all 5 pieces gaviota endgame tables (which can give me DTM values). A few links from google search (like this) lead me to the site which does not exist.
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Syzygy 6 man Tablebase Files Question

Is anyone familiar with the .wdl and .dtz formats for the 6 man tablebase that are available? I already confirmed that both aren't needed, however they both store different information. Goal is to ...
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Where to download a 6 man Nalimov endgame tablebase?

Can anyone tell me whereabouts I can download a 6 man Nalimov endgame tablebase? I've seen some websites with 6 man Nalimov (case in point: http://contentdb.emule-project.net/view.php?pid=1630). ...
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Complexity of critical positions

I understand that chess is pretty complex regarding the game tree complexity (Shannon number) or number of possible positions. If we were trying to solve chess (whuch I know is impossible for ...
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How far from solving chess are we?

See here: Does there exist an algorithm that would play perfect chess if given infinite processing power? With infinite power, we could trivially recursively check every board state for winnability, ...
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Do Stockfish and the tablebase work together or independently?

I use Arena GUI together with stockfish in engine games. I want to download a 6-piece tablebase but that is just a lot of work (and perhaps unnecessary). If I download the tablebase (syzygy), does ...
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Does the Lomonosov Tablebase (and others) include extra material positions such as KQQvKQQQ?

Lomonosov Endgame Tablebase says it includes all endgames with 7 pieces. But does that include things like KQQ v KQQQ? At every possible position? Such things seem highly unlikely, but theoretically ...
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How to use ending evaluation in UCI interaction with Stockfish

Playing around with the Stockfish 8 UCI from the terminal, I've managed to make it compute moves, and set the position and load Syzygy tables. But how I can know if an endgame, one that corresponds ...
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Public higher-order endgame tablebases for *common* positions?

It's easy for me to locate 6-piece tablebases online for free (e.g. lichess), and I know 7-piece tablebases exist (cf. Lomonosov tablebase), but I don't know of any easy way to access them. However, ...
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6 man syzygy tablebase and ramdisk

I have downloaded a copy of the 6 man Syzygy tablebase and configured it on my Fritz 15 GUI. Due to obvious memory constraints, the full 6 man Syzygy tablebase cannot be loaded into memory (ie. ...
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Fathom syzygy browsing tool

I'm trying to make syzygy browsing tool fathom.exe work. If you have experience with this, please let me know. I tried million of combinations of tokens to format the position command and the program ...
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Generate Simple Mate In 1 From Tablebases (for kids)

I was trying to find a kid's app for chess that has some incredibly simple problems. However, all the apps I found had rather tricky problems. So I thought I would download 3 piece table bases and use ...
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Are all KQvK positions winnable if it's not stalemate and Black can't capture on current move?

Are all KQvK positions winnable if the position isn't in itself a stalemate and Black cannot capture on the current move?
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Is there any UCI engine that presents DTZ information from syzygy in analyse mode?

Many UCI engines that can read syzygy database put same score for every winning move (#1000 in komodo, +123.53 in stockfish, ...) and you have no idea how to make real progress when analysing root ...
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How is it possible that the Lomonosov-endgame-tablebase from 2012 still is the most powerful tablebase?

Due to Wikipedia: Endgame tablebase the Lomonosov endgame tablebase is still the biggest tablebase (with a size of 140TB). Now this tablebase was computed in the year 2012 with the Lomonosov 1 (Top500-...
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KRPP vs KRP - maximum depth to conversion?

I am trying to learn single rook endgames with two pawns against one, with added stipulation that the two pawns of the attacking side are on neighboring files with the pawn of the defending side also ...
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What is the longest current tablebase mate with a unique optimal line?

Having been inspired by an article on ChessBase.com, what is the longest current tablebase mate with a unique optimal line? By unique, I mean for each of the winning side's plies, there is only one ...
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Are there any other endgame analysis tool than Wilhelm?

Are there any other endgame analysis tool than Wilhelm?
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Chess endgame database+50-move rule=potential error?

Are there any examples of positions where usage of the endgame tablebase gives an incorrect evaluation, due to the ignoring of the 50-move rule? At the moment I am not sure if endgame tablebases ...
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What is Syzygy tablebases?

I just want to know in simple language exactly, What the Syzygy tablebases are, Why they are used, What are their advantages, disadvantages?
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What are the dates each of the endgame tablebases were completed?

I'm curious to get a rough sense for when chess could be solved if Moore's law, and algorithm improvements continue, and I thought a good way to get a rough idea would be to extrapolate based on when ...
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Why are tablebase files so large?

What is the reason that table base files are so large? I can't think of any other way to phrase that question - but the question alone is rejected by stackoverflow's gateway bot, hence this paragraph ...
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