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The King's Indian Defense (or "KID") is a semi-closed opening starting with 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d6. Black develops with Bg7 and O-O and then either e5 or c5 depending on white's setup. The KID often leads to unbalanced positions: white attacks on the queenside and black attacks on the kingside, resulting in a high percentage of decisive games.

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Why is c4 bad when playing the London against a King's Indian?

Recently I (rated ~1900 "classical" on Lichess) played the following opening: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bf4 g6 3.e3 Bg7 4.Nf3 O-O 5.Nbd2 d6 6.c4 [FEN "rnbq1rk1/ppp1ppbp/3p1np1/8/2PP1B2/4PN2/PP1N1PPP/R2QKB1R w KQ - ...
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KID Gligoric-Taimanov Variation [E92] Black inaccuracy? Move 7 … Nc6

Is there a specific reason why Stockfish thinks Black's 7th move is an inaccuracy? Reference Game Aronian v Carlsen I'm currently going over The King's Indian in Thirty Classic Games at Chessable ...
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Plans for black when White castles short in the Sicilian dragon

What are the plans for Black when White castles short in the Sicilian dragon? Very broadly speaking I am thinking of two plans. Go for a King's Indian like kingside attack with e5 played at a ...
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Analysis of my recent King's Indian Defense game

I'm looking for any feedback on positional ideas I've missed on a recent KID game I played (as black). We were both about 1900 Elo, although I was slightly higher rated. I've obviously already ...
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Plans for black in Pirc when white responds to e5 with d5

Intuitively I would think that this line should just be a better (for black) version of the usual Mar Del Plata KID, seeing that the white c pawn is less advanced and the knight is somewhat passively ...
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What ELO is it good to learn and play the Kings Indian Defense OTB?

I am roughly 1400 USCF and when I play against 1. d4, I tend to avoid the theoretical stuff (Benoni, KID) and defenses such as the Nimzo and QID (mostly anything hypermodern). So I stick with the ...
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What are some good plans for Black in this position?

rnbqk2r/ppp1ppb1/3p1npp/8/2PPP3/2N5/PP1B1PPP/R2QKBNR b KQkq - 1 6 Normally, White plays (after 0... h6) 1. Be3 Ng4 2. Bc1, when Black has gained tempi but weakened his kingside. Suppose White plays ...
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How does one find the tactic here?

1rr3k1/p3p1b1/b2p2pB/q2P1p2/4P3/1PNn1PK1/P1RQN1PP/7R b - - 0 23 In the above position (reached after 1. Bxh6?) Stockfish points out that Black has a winning move, going from 0.00 to -2.25. However, ...
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Why is Black supposed to attack on the kingside in the King's Indian?

Why does the tag wiki for King's Indian say that most of Black's attacks focus on the kingside? I have found that most of my games result in play on the queenside due to my dark-squared bishop, and ...
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How to avoid Pirc in favor of KID

I like to play the King's Indian Defense (KID) and I know little to nothing about the Pirc. So, on 1.d4 I always go for 1. ... Nf6 but I don't know what to do to avoid 2.Nc3 g6 3.e4 d6 ending up in a ...
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What is the state of the Panno variation of the King's Indian Defense Saemisch?

In the Saemisch King's Indian [FEN ""] [StartPly "10"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O It seems current (2017) literature and practice promotes Black's play 6...c5. What I am ...
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What are good sources to learn the Torre Attack?

I am particularly interested in the Torre Attack against the King's Indian formation. What dvd or books, etc. are good, or is it best to dig up old games and Chess Informants?
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What is a good line against the King's Indian Defense for blitz play?

I am looking for a line as White against the King's Indian Defense to play in blitz. With the short time I find it hard to play the lines where White might be winning on the queenside, but has too ...
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Modified move-order in the KID 4. ..0-0. What is the point and how to react?

A main line in the King's Indian Defense is this 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6. However, black could castle instead of d6: [FEN " "] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 O-O Is this a more-...
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dark-squared Bishop in KID

In the typical KID black tries to play for a mating attack. Consequently, the dark squared bishop usually ended up sleeping on g7 or sometimes reroute itself to defended the d6 pawn which is critical ...
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Doubling pawns on the c file in King's Indian

Usually King's Indian players don't seem to be afraid to double the pawns on the c file if that means trading a knight for the dark-squared bishop. I was just wondering what are the plans that Black ...
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King's Indian defense: When is Nh5 the better option to prepare f5

In the position given by the moves below, checking the DB, I can see that Nh5 is far more common than Ne8. When is generally Nh5 the better idea compared to Ne8, given the weaknesses of the knight on ...
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KID fiancetto variation - reason for c6 after Nd7

I've noticed that when black goes Nd7 in the KID fiancetto variation, then often he follows up with c6. What is the main reason(s) for this? Especially, I'm asking this question as often the d6 pawn ...
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Why did Shirov not trade bishop for knight in this position to play against doubled, isolated b-pawns?

In The wisest things ever said about chess by GM Soltis, he quotes this about tempi and gives the following example: Tempi should not be counted but weighed. [FEN "r2q1rk1/pp1b1nb1/n2p1pp1/3Pp2p/...
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1. e4 with backup plan

I recently started playing 1. e4. Since black has a big choice of replies, I would like to learn one opening at a time. If black plays something I haven't learned yet, I would like to resort to a ...
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Why 6…e5 in King's Indian?

I'm a hobbyist chess player, mostly playing online correspondence. I often play the King's Indian defense as Black, but there seems to be a key idea in the opening that I'm missing. Specifically, I ...
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Why do some openings have Indian in their name?

Why are a few chess openings named King's Indian Defense, Queen's Indian Defense, Nimzo-Indian defense, and so on? What is the significance of Indian in all these opening names? What's India's ...
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King's indian attack vs defense relationship

Sorry for my chess ignorance. I'm organizing my understanding of openings and I thought it would be nice to know if there was a reason why the King's Indian Defense is called almost the same as King's ...
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King's indian defense plans

I'm working with my kid on playing KID (he's about 1300 USCF, I was peak 2000 years ago). I'm not too interested in learning exact lines (and I think that's beyond him right now anyway). I think we ...
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King's Indian c5 against Samisch

I'm a 2000 Fide player and I played an interesting opening game last sunday. It was a King's Indian Samisch (I was playing white) and my opponent played the c5 gambit. That was the first time I saw ...
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Is e5 an usual move in positions like this in the King's Indian?

I have played a game this morning where I reached the following position: [fen "r1bq1rk1/1p1nppbp/p2p1np1/2pP4/2P1P3/2N1BN2/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - 0 1"] I was playing with White. In this position my ...
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Why is 2…e6 the most common move after 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4, but not after 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nf3?

This is the case on the Chesstempo database, and the Chessbase database. I don't understand why. Wouldn't people who favour Nimzo-type setups play 2...e6 against both moves, and people who favour ...
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What are the latest ideas for Black against the Samisch King's Indian Defense?

I am always afraid of the Samisch variation of the King's Indian. It's the main reason why I switched to Chebanenko Slav (or ..a6 Slav, or Kamsky's Slav). But my opponents seem to be always prepared ...
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Soundness of the King's Indian Defence

It is rarely seen at top level nowadays, but in the times of Fischer and Kasparov vs. Karpov matches, it was a very popular opening for Black. I heard that Kramnik made Kasparov stop playing KID and ...
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What are some stronger moves I can play next time in the King's Indian Defense?

[fen ""] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. O-O Nc6 8. d5 Ne7 9. Ne1 Nd7 10. Be3 f5 11. f3 f4 12. Bf2 g5 13. b4 Nf6 14. c5 Ng6 15. cxd6 cxd6 16. Rc1 Rf7 17. Nb5 a6 18. Nc3 ...
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For White, which variation of the King's Indian Defence tends to lead to the most solid, positional, slow, strategic, quiet and closed positions?

I am a 1750 Elo player with a very positional, quiet and strategic style of play. I would like to know which variation I should play when, as White, I face the King's Indian Defence: 1...Nf6 2...g6 ...
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Has the King's Indian Defense been refuted at the Grandmaster level?

I know about b4 in the bayonet and the Kramnik-Kasparov games of course. I also know that Mr. Radjabov has been unhealthy (hope he gets better soon) lately. Thanks in advance, your site is awesome, ...
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Pawn structure in king's indian or grünfeld

I'm trying out kings indian against d4 openings but there is one problem... I get mated. I can't defend after castling under the h7 g6 f7 pawn structure. Somehow it works as an opening with an ...
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Does playing the King's Indian against the Benko put black at a foreseeable disadvantage?

I am currently in a turn based game where white opened with 1.g3. I clearly see that white probably (at least white should) will fiancetto his king's bishop on the next move, aiming to control the ...
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Castling long in the King's Indian Defence (for white)

When does white do it? Why does white do it? What kind of strategies should both sides adopt in such games? What kinds of games does it give rise to (i.e. positional or tactical)? Which players are ...
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What influenced the development of the King's Indian Defense?

The King's Indian Defense is characterized by the moves 1. d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6. (As opposed to 2. . .e6, with the intention of developing the Bishop to the Queen-side.) Black aims for a strong King-side ...