[Title "White to move"]
[FEN "5r2/5q1k/6pp/1p2P3/1P2p2P/6RK/3Q1P2/8 w KQkq - 0 1"]

I can’t seem to win here, no matter what I do. Is the position really that bad for me as White?

  • 1
    Is it white or black to move?
    – Scounged
    Commented Dec 13, 2019 at 20:43
  • Why should you win by force here? What advantage(s) do you have? Commented Dec 13, 2019 at 21:12
  • I can't seem to find any advantages. I find I'm always on the defensive and don't have many options to attack/check/threaten etc.. Any thoughts? Commented Dec 13, 2019 at 21:31
  • 1
    Not expecting an easy win, just wondering if any more experienced players can see a way to win. Good learning curve Commented Dec 13, 2019 at 21:40

3 Answers 3


The position is roughly equal. The problem for both sides, but it is a little worse for white, is king safety. That is the overwhelming positional factor here.

Kg2 and Qd4 is the best plan for white here to counter the threat on f2. It is positionally mutually difficult to do anything since both queens and rooks must keep defending soft spots. Trying to do more, and you likely get mated.

Here is a short sample line with notes.

 [FEN "5r2/5q1k/6pp/1p2P3/1P2p2P/6RK/3Q1P2/8 w - - 0 1"]

 1. Kg2 {to defend f2} Qf5 {activating the queen a little} 2. Qd4 {also activating the queen a little, but keeping an eye on f2 at the same time} Rf7 3. Qb6 {keeping black thinking about the white queen taking on g6 and then mate} Kg7 {pass} 4. Kg1 {pass, and not much progress can be made.}
  • I would be interested in the down-voter's reasoning. Commented Dec 13, 2019 at 22:07
  • We all would. I lost 80 points one day as some schmuck went through and did something to a lot of my posts. It was not clear who did it, what he did , or why I lost so many points. Down voting should require reasons and anything that costs ten points at a time should have very good provable reasons not just that they do not like it.
    – yobamamama
    Commented Dec 13, 2019 at 22:11
  • I had someone hit me for quite a few downvotes the other day. It was clearly retaliatory for something I am not sure of. I do not care in terms of the points, but I dare most anyone to debate me on position. Commented Dec 13, 2019 at 22:16
  • At 9518 I would be less worried:) But I was just over 300 at the time. But still annoying when it happens anonymously with no reasons. I guess some insecure people feel good by being able to do it. I wont lose any sleep just feel sorry for such people.
    – yobamamama
    Commented Dec 13, 2019 at 22:18
  • Thanks Phish, that's basically what I encountered. Hard to push a mate without losing myself. I'll keep plugging away! Commented Dec 14, 2019 at 17:51

move queen to D6 THAT GUARDS F2 DUE TO CM


Yes. It should be hard for white to win.

Material is even.
No obvious positional advantages.

Why should you have an easy win?

Black is threatening to win a pawn.

You are going to lose at least one pawn but might be able to get some counterplay to hold the draw.

Why do you think white should win at all?

And yes, white's position is bad.

After Kg2 then black plays Qe7 and forks two pawns which should be hard to counter. After Rg2 black can check on f5 and win a pawn.

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service and acknowledge you have read our privacy policy.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.