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I am looking for a position in which all possible moves are checkmate. This means, that if the player does not want to checkmate the opponent, because for example he feels sorry for him, even in that case he is forced to checkmate him. He cannot avoid it. Can you tell me an example? White or black does not matter.

Also, I feel this can be done only if there is a very small number of possible moves. For example 1 or 2.

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    Search for "selfmate" problems, in which White has to force Black to checkmate him. The positions before the last move of such problems are answers to your question. – RemcoGerlich Mar 25 at 13:18
  • @RemcoGerlich That’s just one way to do it. Composed games, such as mine, also work. – Rewan Demontay Mar 25 at 18:32
  • @RewanDemontay: of course, it was just a comment with a hint, not a full answer :-) – RemcoGerlich Mar 25 at 19:52
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I just remembered a class of chess problem; see item 267 of Tim Krabbé's Open Chess Diary (his whole site is highly recommended):

[FEN "KBk5/P1P4p/2Pp3P/P6p/2p3rP/2P3pB/6P1/8 w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Title "White to move."]

Mate in 7. Noam Elkies, 2004.

Spoiler: White has some choices here, he can choose different move orders. But it's always checkmate on move 7, no matter what.

  • Nice, hadn't considered the possibility of deeper selfmates. – konsolas Mar 25 at 21:54
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    @konsolas: this isn't a selfmate, just a normal mate in 7 that happens to be impossible to get wrong :) – RemcoGerlich Mar 25 at 22:23
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    @RewanDemontay: and here all moves produce checkmate, after seven moves. Can't be avoided. Exactly the situation he asks for. – RemcoGerlich Mar 26 at 7:47
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    @RewanDemontay: I don't see why. – RemcoGerlich Mar 26 at 11:16
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    I mean I don't understand why this would be in any way too broad. Positions where one side can't avoid checkmating the other even if they wanted to. You have some examples, I have another type, that makes two relevant answers. Overbroad questions usually can't be answered at all or have tens of wildly different answers. – RemcoGerlich Mar 26 at 12:21
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The current record for most forced checkmates in a legal position with no promoted pieces is 29:

[Title "Harold Holgate Cross, The Problemist FCS Apr 1936, 2251"]
[StartFlipped "0"]
[fen "8/1b6/p1N5/P1r5/P3KPr1/QBk1NRP1/P2R1P2/4B3 w KQkq - 0 1"]

PDB has it at id P1178654. White is to move.

(For the record where the position must be legal and may have promoted pieces, see Rewan Demontay's answer.)

  • What are your sources that say this is the record? And perhaps put a link to where you found this game. – Rewan Demontay Mar 30 at 21:23
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    One source is Dickins & Ebert, "100 Classics of the Chessboard", no.94b. – Rosie F Mar 31 at 6:08
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UPDATE: I actually found TWO cases of FIFTY-FIVE forced mates with promoted pieces when looking at Tim Krabbe’s site again!

Journal 383: https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/diary.htm

[Title "Ludwig Zagler Feenschach 1972"]
[Site "https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/diary_17.htm"]
[Date "2019.04.17"]
[Round "-"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1rB1Q1Q1/1PRQ3Q/2b2k2/2pQ1N1Q/4KRPp/5N2/1R6/B3nn1b w - - 0 1"]

[Title "Sampsa Lahtonen, 2008"]
[Site "https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/diary_17.htm"]
[Date "2019.04.17"]
[Round "-"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "B3n1bb/1R6/4pN2/4KRPp/2pQ1N1Q/2b2k2/1PRQ3Q/1rB1Q1Q1 w - - 0 1"]

After a series of lucky strike of links (I Googled the composer of the 29 mover, found a site called English Chess Forums, and then found a link to Tim Krabbe’s website) I hit a goldmine. Take a look here.

[Title "Wolfgang Dittmann, Die Schwalbe 1967"]
[Site "https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/diary_17.htm"]
[Date "2019.03.30"]
[Round "-"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "b2rQQQ1/3B1N1Q/n2K1k2/3P3Q/4P1Qp/5pNP/1R5b/B7 w - - 0 1"]

50 forced checkmates for white! How amazing is that?!

Tim Krabbe’s site (Journal Entry 334) states that there are 3 kinds of forced checkmate positions: legal, with promotions, legal, with no promotions, and illegal. The position here is with promotions of course.

Rosie F’s answer of 29 moves is the record without promotion, so her claim was corsrect. I just found her sources for her.

There are other interesting varieties on Krabbe’s website, so go take a look!: https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/diary_17.htm


(I’m combining both of my answers.)

Here’s a simple position in which black is forced to checkmate White, for a simple demonstration is 2 pieces forced to mate in 3 different ways.

[FEN "k7/1R2Q2R/1p6/1Pp5/n1P5/3P2p1/2PNP1P1/2RKR2n w - - 0 1"]

Here’s an illegal position with 10 pieces total to deliver mate, and 14 total possible checkmates in total. The discovered mates are attributed to to moving piece that causes it.

[FEN "RN2k1NR/P3P2P/3PPP2/4pBp1/4PbP1/3ppp2/p3p2p/rn2K1nr w - - 0 1"]

NOTE: The OP never said anything about a position having to be legal, so my answer here is technically correct.

  • Your second position has a simple cook of under-promoting to a bishop or knight, either of which will not result in checkmate. – Herb Wolfe Mar 25 at 19:51
  • The first sentence is "I am looking for a position in which all possible moves are checkmate." Your second position fails that requirement. – Herb Wolfe Mar 25 at 20:39
  • @HerbWolfe Yes, but I think that my answer could still be technicallly correct given the context of the ENTIRE question. – Rewan Demontay Mar 25 at 20:44
  • @HerbWolfe However, I will assume for now that you are right, and thus I shall edit my current second answer for now. – Rewan Demontay Mar 25 at 21:07
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    In your later updates, the bishops can move in a way that does not produce checkmate. – D M Mar 28 at 3:10

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