# Number of moves till draw with a king [closed]

``````5R2/8/6k1/8/4Q3/p7/P7/8 b - - 0 1
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If there is a king (black) and one pawn (black) with one queen (white), one pawn (white) and one rook (white) and the pawn (white) is blocking pawn (black).

Can the king (black) start counting moves to claim a draw?

You could start counting from ANY position. It will be a draw if 50 moves elapse without a piece being taken or a pawn being moved. You could even start counting from the opening position - both sides could just move their knights around randomly, and maybe move their rooks to where the knights used to be, for 50 moves.

The fact that the pawns are blocked in the position you show doesn't matter to the 50 move rule, except that it makes them less likely to move and thus reset the count. Whether a pawn could move or a piece could be captured is irrelevant - what matters is whether that actually does happen in the game.

Although you can start counting, White has several ways to reset the count in the position you show. They could capture the remaining pawn, and thus reset the count to 0. With the pawn out of the way, they could later move their own pawn several times to keep resetting the count. They could even move their own queen next to the Black king to force it to be captured, to reset the count - remember, ANY capture resets it.

There is a USCF rule (14F4) that someone in sudden death with less than 5 minutes left, and a position where captures and pawn moves are unlikely, can ask the TD for assistance in counting moves. Whether the TD agrees is up to his discretion. In such a case, the pawns being locked might factor in to whether he agrees to help.

(I'm ignoring that there's no White king in your diagram; I assume that to be an oversight and not part of the question. Lack of a king means there's an ongoing illegal position, and that has its own rules.)

Yes, black can start counting to 50 moves. See Article 5.2e of the FIDE handbook:

The game may be drawn if each player has made at least the last 50 moves without the movement of any pawn and without any capture (see Article 9.3).

In this case, black may (but is not obliged to) claim a draw. For the sake of completeness, Article 9.6b also states the following:

Any consecutive series of 75 moves have been completed by each player without the movement of any pawn and without any capture. If the last move resulted in checkmate, that shall take precedence.

the difference here being that, the game shall be declared drawn by the arbiter whether the players like it or not.

Of course, this is subject to white having a king on the board too...