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##Disclaimer

My question isn't about how oftenI'm aware that the FIDE ratings are updated. I know that's donelist is only published once aper month. I'm interested in how often the ratings are recalculated internally to FIDE without being published.

 

Are ratings adjusted match after match, or after every tournament? Even if the ratings are updated once a month, does FIDE count every match, or a whole tournament?

#An example to make my point clear

Consider a three-player, single round robin tournament.

Player                 Elo

Roanin Novel     2798

Rigi Hains           2745

Dan H. Yvasin     2784

#Results

Round 1: R. Novel (1) beat Rigi Hains (0)

Round 2: Rigi Hains (0.5) drew with D.H. Yvasin (0.5)

Round 3: D.H. Yvasin (1) drew with R. Novel (1.5)

##My question

If FIDE was calculating the players' ratings, would it first update the players' ratings match by match1, or would their rating be adjusted by counting the tournament as a whole?2

1 In this case, rating changes after every match.

2 Here we calculate the expected score of each player at the start of the tournament, and compare it with the final score only. No rating changes occur between matches.

##The calculations (all assume K=10)

###Method 1 [Match by match] (Final ratings in bold)

  • After the first match, R. Novel is rated 2802.24 and Rigi is rated 2740.76.

  • After the second match, Rigi is rated 2741.38 and Dan is rated 2783.38

  • After the last match, Dan is rated 2783.65 and Novel is rated 2801.97

###Method 2 [Whole tournament]

  1. Roanin Novel

  • Initial expected score = 1.096

  • Actual score = 1.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2802.04

  1. Rigi Hains

  • Initial expected score = 0.868

  • Actual score = 0.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2741.32

  1. Dan H. Yvasin

  • Initial expected score = 1.036

  • Actual score = 1.0

  • Hence, new rating = 2783.64

###Conclusion

  • In such a short tournament, there doesn't seem to be a significant difference in the results of the two methods, but maybe there could be one in a longer tournament.

  • Which of them does FIDE use?

##Note

  • If something is unclear, please ask in the comments.

##Disclaimer

My question isn't about how often the FIDE ratings are updated. I know that's done once a month.

 

Are ratings adjusted match after match, or after every tournament? Even if the ratings are updated once a month, does FIDE count every match, or a whole tournament?

#An example to make my point clear

Consider a three-player, single round robin tournament.

Player                 Elo

Roanin Novel     2798

Rigi Hains           2745

Dan H. Yvasin     2784

#Results

Round 1: R. Novel (1) beat Rigi Hains (0)

Round 2: Rigi Hains (0.5) drew with D.H. Yvasin (0.5)

Round 3: D.H. Yvasin (1) drew with R. Novel (1.5)

##My question

If FIDE was calculating the players' ratings, would it first update the players' ratings match by match1, or would their rating be adjusted by counting the tournament as a whole?2

1 In this case, rating changes after every match.

2 Here we calculate the expected score of each player at the start of the tournament, and compare it with the final score only. No rating changes occur between matches.

##The calculations (all assume K=10)

###Method 1 [Match by match] (Final ratings in bold)

  • After the first match, R. Novel is rated 2802.24 and Rigi is rated 2740.76.

  • After the second match, Rigi is rated 2741.38 and Dan is rated 2783.38

  • After the last match, Dan is rated 2783.65 and Novel is rated 2801.97

###Method 2 [Whole tournament]

  1. Roanin Novel

  • Initial expected score = 1.096

  • Actual score = 1.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2802.04

  1. Rigi Hains

  • Initial expected score = 0.868

  • Actual score = 0.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2741.32

  1. Dan H. Yvasin

  • Initial expected score = 1.036

  • Actual score = 1.0

  • Hence, new rating = 2783.64

###Conclusion

  • In such a short tournament, there doesn't seem to be a significant difference in the results of the two methods, but maybe there could be one in a longer tournament.

  • Which of them does FIDE use?

##Note

  • If something is unclear, please ask in the comments.

I'm aware that the FIDE ratings list is only published once per month. I'm interested in how often the ratings are recalculated internally to FIDE without being published.

Are ratings adjusted match after match, or after every tournament? Even if the ratings are updated once a month, does FIDE count every match, or a whole tournament?

#An example to make my point clear

Consider a three-player, single round robin tournament.

Player                 Elo

Roanin Novel     2798

Rigi Hains           2745

Dan H. Yvasin     2784

#Results

Round 1: R. Novel (1) beat Rigi Hains (0)

Round 2: Rigi Hains (0.5) drew with D.H. Yvasin (0.5)

Round 3: D.H. Yvasin (1) drew with R. Novel (1.5)

##My question

If FIDE was calculating the players' ratings, would it first update the players' ratings match by match1, or would their rating be adjusted by counting the tournament as a whole?2

1 In this case, rating changes after every match.

2 Here we calculate the expected score of each player at the start of the tournament, and compare it with the final score only. No rating changes occur between matches.

##The calculations (all assume K=10)

###Method 1 [Match by match] (Final ratings in bold)

  • After the first match, R. Novel is rated 2802.24 and Rigi is rated 2740.76.

  • After the second match, Rigi is rated 2741.38 and Dan is rated 2783.38

  • After the last match, Dan is rated 2783.65 and Novel is rated 2801.97

###Method 2 [Whole tournament]

  1. Roanin Novel

  • Initial expected score = 1.096

  • Actual score = 1.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2802.04

  1. Rigi Hains

  • Initial expected score = 0.868

  • Actual score = 0.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2741.32

  1. Dan H. Yvasin

  • Initial expected score = 1.036

  • Actual score = 1.0

  • Hence, new rating = 2783.64

###Conclusion

  • In such a short tournament, there doesn't seem to be a significant difference in the results of the two methods, but maybe there could be one in a longer tournament.

  • Which of them does FIDE use?

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##Disclaimer

My question isn't about how often the FIDE ratings are updated. I know that's done once a month.

Are ratings adjusted match after match, or after every tournament? Even if the ratings are updated once a month, does FIDE count every match, or a whole tournament?

##An#An example to make my point clear

Consider a three-player, single round robin tournament.

Player                 Elo

Roanin Novel     2798

Rigi Hains           2745

Dan H. Yvasin     2784

#Results

Round 1: R. Novel (1) beat Rigi Hains (0)

Round 2: Rigi Hains (0.5) drew with D.H. Yvasin (0.5)

Round 3: D.H. Yvasin (1) drew with R. Novel (1.5)

##My question

If FIDE was calculating the players' ratings, would it first update the players' ratings match by match1, or would their rating be adjusted by counting the tournament as a whole?2

1 In this case, rating changes after every match.

2 Here we calculate the expected score of each player at the start of the tournament, and compare it with the final score only. No rating changes occur between matches.

##The calculations (all assume K=10)

###Method 1 [Match by match] (Final ratings in bold)

  • After the first match, R. Novel is rated 2802.24 and Rigi is rated 2740.76.

  • After the second match, Rigi is rated 2741.38 and Dan is rated 2783.38

  • After the last match, Dan is rated 2783.65 and Novel is rated 2801.97

###Method 2 [Whole tournament]

  1. Roanin Novel

  • Initial expected score = 1.096

  • Actual score = 1.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2802.04

  1. Rigi Hains

  • Initial expected score = 0.868

  • Actual score = 0.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2741.32

  1. Dan H. Yvasin

  • Initial expected score = 1.036

  • Actual score = 1.0

  • Hence, new rating = 2783.64

###Conclusion

  • In such a short tournament, there doesn't seem to be a significant difference in the results of the two methods, but maybe there could be one in a longer tournament.

  • Which of them does FIDE use?

##Note

  • If something is unclear, please ask in the comments.

##Disclaimer

My question isn't about how often the FIDE ratings are updated. I know that's done once a month.

Are ratings adjusted match after match, or after every tournament? Even if the ratings are updated once a month, does FIDE count every match, or a whole tournament?

##An example to make my point clear

Consider a three-player, single round robin tournament.

Player                 Elo

Roanin Novel     2798

Rigi Hains           2745

Dan H. Yvasin     2784

#Results

Round 1: R. Novel (1) beat Rigi Hains (0)

Round 2: Rigi Hains (0.5) drew with D.H. Yvasin (0.5)

Round 3: D.H. Yvasin (1) drew with R. Novel (1.5)

##My question

If FIDE was calculating the players' ratings, would it first update the players' ratings match by match1, or would their rating be adjusted by counting the tournament as a whole?2

1 In this case, rating changes after every match.

2 Here we calculate the expected score of each player at the start of the tournament, and compare it with the final score only. No rating changes occur between matches.

##The calculations (all assume K=10)

###Method 1 [Match by match] (Final ratings in bold)

  • After the first match, R. Novel is rated 2802.24 and Rigi is rated 2740.76.

  • After the second match, Rigi is rated 2741.38 and Dan is rated 2783.38

  • After the last match, Dan is rated 2783.65 and Novel is rated 2801.97

###Method 2 [Whole tournament]

  1. Roanin Novel

  • Initial expected score = 1.096

  • Actual score = 1.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2802.04

  1. Rigi Hains

  • Initial expected score = 0.868

  • Actual score = 0.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2741.32

  1. Dan H. Yvasin

  • Initial expected score = 1.036

  • Actual score = 1.0

  • Hence, new rating = 2783.64

###Conclusion

  • In such a short tournament, there doesn't seem to be a significant difference in the results of the two methods, but maybe there could be one in a longer tournament.

  • Which of them does FIDE use?

##Note

  • If something is unclear, please ask in the comments.

##Disclaimer

My question isn't about how often the FIDE ratings are updated. I know that's done once a month.

Are ratings adjusted match after match, or after every tournament? Even if the ratings are updated once a month, does FIDE count every match, or a whole tournament?

#An example to make my point clear

Consider a three-player, single round robin tournament.

Player                 Elo

Roanin Novel     2798

Rigi Hains           2745

Dan H. Yvasin     2784

#Results

Round 1: R. Novel (1) beat Rigi Hains (0)

Round 2: Rigi Hains (0.5) drew with D.H. Yvasin (0.5)

Round 3: D.H. Yvasin (1) drew with R. Novel (1.5)

##My question

If FIDE was calculating the players' ratings, would it first update the players' ratings match by match1, or would their rating be adjusted by counting the tournament as a whole?2

1 In this case, rating changes after every match.

2 Here we calculate the expected score of each player at the start of the tournament, and compare it with the final score only. No rating changes occur between matches.

##The calculations (all assume K=10)

###Method 1 [Match by match] (Final ratings in bold)

  • After the first match, R. Novel is rated 2802.24 and Rigi is rated 2740.76.

  • After the second match, Rigi is rated 2741.38 and Dan is rated 2783.38

  • After the last match, Dan is rated 2783.65 and Novel is rated 2801.97

###Method 2 [Whole tournament]

  1. Roanin Novel

  • Initial expected score = 1.096

  • Actual score = 1.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2802.04

  1. Rigi Hains

  • Initial expected score = 0.868

  • Actual score = 0.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2741.32

  1. Dan H. Yvasin

  • Initial expected score = 1.036

  • Actual score = 1.0

  • Hence, new rating = 2783.64

###Conclusion

  • In such a short tournament, there doesn't seem to be a significant difference in the results of the two methods, but maybe there could be one in a longer tournament.

  • Which of them does FIDE use?

##Note

  • If something is unclear, please ask in the comments.
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##Disclaimer

My question isn't about how often the FIDE ratings are updated. I know that's done once a month.

Are ratings adjusted match after match, or after every tournament? Even if the ratings are updated once a month, does FIDE count every match, or a whole tournament?

##An example to make my point clear

Consider a three-player, single round robin tournament.

Player                 Elo

Roanin Novel     2798

Rigi Hains           2745

Dan H. Yvasin     2784

#Results

Round 1: R. Novel (1) beat Rigi Hains (0)

Round 2: Rigi Hains (0.5) drew with D.H. Yvasin (0.5)

Round 3: D.H. Yvasin (1) drew with R. Novel (1.5)

##My question

If FIDE was calculating the players' ratings, would it first update the players' ratings match by match1, or would their rating be adjusted by counting the tournament as a whole?2

1 In this case, rating changes after every match.

2 Here we calculate the expected score of each player at the start of the tournament, and compare it with the final score only. No rating changes occur between matches.

 

##The calculations (all assume K=10)

##Note###Method 1 [Match by match] (Final ratings in bold)

  • If somethingAfter the first match, R. Novel is unclearrated 2802.24 and Rigi is rated 2740.76.

  • After the second match, please ask inRigi is rated 2741.38 and Dan is rated 2783.38

  • After the comments. I'm not sure if my pointlast match, Dan is clear yetrated 2783.65 and Novel is rated 2801.97

###Method 2 [Whole tournament]

  1. Roanin Novel

  • Initial expected score = 1.096

  • If it is requiredActual score = 1.5

  • Hence, I'll do the calculations for both the cases for the above tournamentnew rating = 2802.04

  1. Rigi Hains

  • Initial expected score = 0.868

  • Actual score = 0.5

  • Hence, to show the differencenew rating = 2741.32

  1. Dan H. Yvasin

  • Initial expected score = 1. But that would take some time! Still036

  • Actual score = 1.0

  • Hence, if it's needednew rating = 2783.64

###Conclusion

  • In such a short tournament, askthere doesn't seem to be a significant difference in the commentsresults of the two methods, but maybe there could be one in a longer tournament.

  • Which of them does FIDE use?

##Note

  • If something is unclear, please ask in the comments.

##Disclaimer

My question isn't about how often the FIDE ratings are updated. I know that's done once a month.

Are ratings adjusted match after match, or after every tournament? Even if the ratings are updated once a month, does FIDE count every match, or a whole tournament?

##An example to make my point clear

Consider a three-player, single round robin tournament.

Player                 Elo

Roanin Novel     2798

Rigi Hains           2745

Dan H. Yvasin     2784

#Results

Round 1: R. Novel (1) beat Rigi Hains (0)

Round 2: Rigi Hains (0.5) drew with D.H. Yvasin (0.5)

Round 3: D.H. Yvasin (1) drew with R. Novel (1.5)

##My question

If FIDE was calculating the players' ratings, would it first update the players' ratings match by match1, or would their rating be adjusted by counting the tournament as a whole?2

1 In this case, rating changes after every match.

2 Here we calculate the expected score of each player at the start of the tournament, and compare it with the final score only. No rating changes occur between matches.

 

##Note

  • If something is unclear, please ask in the comments. I'm not sure if my point is clear yet.

  • If it is required, I'll do the calculations for both the cases for the above tournament, to show the difference. But that would take some time! Still, if it's needed, ask in the comments.

##Disclaimer

My question isn't about how often the FIDE ratings are updated. I know that's done once a month.

Are ratings adjusted match after match, or after every tournament? Even if the ratings are updated once a month, does FIDE count every match, or a whole tournament?

##An example to make my point clear

Consider a three-player, single round robin tournament.

Player                 Elo

Roanin Novel     2798

Rigi Hains           2745

Dan H. Yvasin     2784

#Results

Round 1: R. Novel (1) beat Rigi Hains (0)

Round 2: Rigi Hains (0.5) drew with D.H. Yvasin (0.5)

Round 3: D.H. Yvasin (1) drew with R. Novel (1.5)

##My question

If FIDE was calculating the players' ratings, would it first update the players' ratings match by match1, or would their rating be adjusted by counting the tournament as a whole?2

1 In this case, rating changes after every match.

2 Here we calculate the expected score of each player at the start of the tournament, and compare it with the final score only. No rating changes occur between matches.

##The calculations (all assume K=10)

###Method 1 [Match by match] (Final ratings in bold)

  • After the first match, R. Novel is rated 2802.24 and Rigi is rated 2740.76.

  • After the second match, Rigi is rated 2741.38 and Dan is rated 2783.38

  • After the last match, Dan is rated 2783.65 and Novel is rated 2801.97

###Method 2 [Whole tournament]

  1. Roanin Novel

  • Initial expected score = 1.096

  • Actual score = 1.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2802.04

  1. Rigi Hains

  • Initial expected score = 0.868

  • Actual score = 0.5

  • Hence, new rating = 2741.32

  1. Dan H. Yvasin

  • Initial expected score = 1.036

  • Actual score = 1.0

  • Hence, new rating = 2783.64

###Conclusion

  • In such a short tournament, there doesn't seem to be a significant difference in the results of the two methods, but maybe there could be one in a longer tournament.

  • Which of them does FIDE use?

##Note

  • If something is unclear, please ask in the comments.
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